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Caryl Matrisciana
Guest speaker on the Jan Markell Show
Topic: The New Barbarians Video
5-31-03
Jan:
Now let us go to a very special lady who I had the privilege of meeting
in February. Let's bring on Caryl. Caryl Matrisciana welcome to the
Twin Cities and beyond.
Caryl:
Welcome, welcome, welcome. Thank you for this wonderful welcome Jan.
You are so welcome and I just love being with you and talking to you.
Jan:
Boy, I tell you, I loved meeting you in February. You were here. You
are making another new film on, you are going to update Harry Potter,
I believe, and…
Caryl:
Yes.
Jan:
With Wendell Amstutz. It was just such a privilege to meet you at that
time, and I think that film is coming out down the road a bit, perhaps
this coming winter, is that right?
Caryl:
Yes, I am hoping so. At the moment I am consumed with the latest release
which was The New Barbarians.
Jan:
And that's where were headed here. Let me just tell folks again. I did
talk about you earlier in the program Caryl, and we had some announcements
to make and I didn't really want to waste your time. I did tell them,
however, at the beginning of the program that you have, for the past
21 years, you were the Creative Director for Jeremiah Films and contributed
research expertise and helped produce more than 30 journalistic documentaries
revealing today's cultural trends. Now your most recent video, film,
is The New Barbarians, which I have watched. Let me just say this Caryl,
before I go any further. This morning I do have a co-host in the studio
with me. His name is David Wheaton, who has also seen the film, and
both David and I will be quizzing you for the next, well until 11 a.m.
our time. Now Caryl, just let me. David, do you want to greet Caryl?
David:
Caryl hello. I just want to say I really enjoyed watching the video
last night. It really is a revelation, I think. I think a lot of our
listeners today would like to hear it, and I want to make sure they
have an opportunity to get this video at some point, because it is a
powerful imaging in words about what is truly going on in the Middle
East.
Caryl:
Well David, thank you so much and it is nice to meet you. I'm not sure
that enjoying the film is the right…..
David:
Your right, your right, exactly. It's illuminating, let's put it that
way.
Caryl:
Yes.
Jan:
Now, let's just clarify one thing, are you with a new production company,
Proclaim Production?
Caryl:
No, I actually, I've gone out on my own. It is new in the sense of being
a strong journalistic piece, for the first time kind of on my own, as
Jeremiah Films is turning more towards theatrical film release and family
entertainment. I still feel very led and love doing journalistic pieces
and expose documentaries, which I feel is my forte. So, I have branched
out on my own.
Jan:
Yes, that's what I thought, and you know I became familiar with you
Caryl, were gonna date each other here a little bit, I think you and
I are close to the same age. I got familiar with you with your video
Gods of the New Age, which is one of the most powerful videos I have
also seen.
Caryl:
Well, thank you so much Jan. Yes, that was my debut video with Jeremiah
Films, and Pat and I traveled to India to film that, and interviewed
the gurus and god men in India where I was actually born.
Jan:
Yes.
Caryl:
And so, going back to my roots, so to speak, and being able to talk
to people and find out true Eastern Mysticism and Hinduism as they understand
it, then seeing its repackaging in the churches in the West, through
the self-help movements, through psychology, through alternative medicine,
and through education was all part of Gods of the New Age. It was a
very exciting documentary to make, and I also wrote a book to go along
with it. Actually I am on the verge of republishing.
Jan:
Okay, and let me just add here parenthetically, because Caryl raised
a point, and that is next Saturday we are going to be dealing with the
issue of alternative medicine. We will spend almost two hours on it
with Dr. Jacobson, his first name escapes me. He has co-authored a book
with, I'm blanking out, Neil Anderson on alternative medicine. Not to
say that all of it is bad. I think that there perhaps is, I'm going
to share with you next Saturday my own encounter with alternative medicine,
which I will tell you right upfront, was almost deadly. But, that is
not to say that there aren't some aspects that we can consider perhaps
helpful. So that is just a promo for next week. Because of Caryl's comment,
I felt was timely to throw in. Now, let's go right to your newest production,
as David and I do have comments and questions for you. And Caryl, you
have captured some of the most awesome and graphic film on this newest
production of yours. Now as an expert on cults, which you are, and you
state that you have never seen anything, nor have I by the way, like
the mind control being used in the brainwashing of Muslim children.
That is basically what this new production is about folks, The New Barbarians,
Training Children to Kill. Mainly about the brainwashing of these Islamic
children, I have never seen anything like it, and you have had a lifetime
in the cults, you primarily highlight this in the video, particularly
as they are directed against Israel. But also America, as young as 2
and 3 year olds, and you have that documented here in this video.
Caryl:
Yes, I think the most powerful thing about the video is that it is raw
footage taken directly off Arab TV and the internet, and does reveal
the most shocking indoctrination of Arab children in the Middle East.
As I showed, 10,000 children a year go through these summer assault
courses where they are taught to load guns, be involved in terrorist
activities, like slitting the throats of infidels, high jacking cars,
and basically they are taught to hate. These camps and these children
are just brought up to invite hatred towards the Jews, and believe in
the total annihilation of the existence of Israel.
David:
You know Caryl, what struck me most about the video is just what you
mentioned, the amount of hate that you can see in the eyes of the people
over there towards the Jews. I mean it really is what I felt to be,
really only can be described as a Satanically inspired hatred for another
group of people as you watch the film. The subtitle of the film is Training
Children to Kill, and that is certainly presented very much throughout
the film, but it really gives a gray background on the conflict in the
Middle East, and the history of it, and what the word Palestine means
and who the groups are. It really is excellent, and for anyone who wants
to get educated this would be a tremendous film to do that. Caryl, why
don't you give us the way we can get this film.
Caryl:
Well, thank you so much David. Your listeners can order it through the
800, through my toll free 800 number, which is 1-800-897-5080, that
is 5-0-8-0.
Jan:
We'll repeat that.
David:
We will. I guess my question is, looking at this and training these
young people to hate and grow up, that's how you change a generation,
you know that's how America tries to raise a great generation through
education and so forth. They are educating in a different way over there.
Their summer camps are not roasting marshmallows over a fire, it is
learning how to kill Jews and anyone who is not a Muslim. Tell me, is
there any precedence that you have seen in past history for, let me
give you an example, of a mother being pleased that her son has just
gone and blown himself up and killed Jews? Is there any precedence for
that in history?
Jan:
Jews are Americans.
Caryl:
David, I have not seen it, that is why I put this film together because
in all my dealings in the cults over the years where, you know, for
the last couple of decades, it has just been sort of leaders such as
Jim Jones who got 960 people to take Cyanide, to take orange juice laced
with poison, and kill themselves. They did it in a sense voluntarily,
and in a sense I suppose that those mothers did give their children
the medicine, but this is so different because this is a generation.
I mean, we are talking of thousands of Arab children and hundreds of
thousands of mothers who are actually supporting their children strapping
themselves with detonating explosives and believing it to be a spiritual
calling that these children and their families will go into heaven.
And of course the political leaders, and this is the shocking part of
the film, is that the political leaders are paying these families $25,000
a family to incite their children to murder. And we are not talking
about suicide here, because even though life is very precious, if somebody
chooses to commit suicide and go off quietly and privately and do it,
that is their own choice. But, this is actually murder bombs, these
are homicide bombs and genocide bombs where they are blowing up a race
of people whose only crime is that they are Jewish.
Jan:
Now Caryl, by the way, we are talking, if you just joined us, talking
with Caryl Matrisciana who has 21 years as Creative Director at Jeremiah
Films, contributed to research expertise, and helped produce more than
30 journalistic documentaries. But Caryl, I want to just jump to another
area here, because you have teamed up here a little bit, or at least
you showed a lot of Steve Emerson's video Jihad in America, which by
the way folks was scrapped by PBS. PBS asked him to make it, but they
decided it was politically incorrect, as it was profiling Muslims in
America and causing them, perhaps, harm or danger. You, in a sense,
teamed up with Steve here, because he produced this Jihad in America
back in 1994, where he forewarned us, forewarned Americans, that this
was coming to America. You also, in your video, in your film, you go
into the summer camps that are going on right here. As a matter of a
fact, there are nine, in a sense, terror training camps within our borders.
Caryl:
Well Jan, you have hit the nail on the head by saying that this film
was produced in 1994, where Steve documented, Steve Emerson the producer
of the film, documented what was taking place before September 11th
and the Twin Towers. In fact, Steve stands in front of the Twin Towers,
which was just such a shocking and extraordinary interview, that several
years later those would no longer be there. Now, what he said in 1994
was that there were nine camps in military training, but obviously it
has grown because there are more Muslims in this country. The numbers
are rising and I think it has gone beyond 7 million in this country.
Of course, I am not saying that all Muslims are jihad terrorists.
Jan:
Nor are we.
Caryl:
And, certainly that wasn't the point of the film, it was to show that
American Muslims are funding, many American Muslims are funding, the
Hammas and the jihad terrorist movements in the Middle East. The money
is coming from America, to have terrorism within American cities, as
we saw with the New York falling of the Twin Towers. That was American
money and jihad followers. One of the desperately tragic things about
this fundamentalist jihad movement is that these children, these youth,
that we saw with the 19 young men that became genocide and homicide
bombs in 9-11, were trained in America. They were trained to fly the
planes here, they were living within American borders in order to destroy
the American lifestyle. Then, the most shocking thing was to see the
reactions in the Middle East, where there was joyful singing, clapping,
and dancing.
Jan:
I am glad that you put that on your film Caryl.
David:
Caryl, I have a question for you regarding President Bush's previous
comments about Islam being a religion of peace. I think there is a lot
of confusion about this. Who are the real devout Muslims? The ones that
are taking the Koran in a very literal way, and blowing themselves up,
and declaring jihad on the world and anyone who is an infidel? Or is
it the other Muslims who are "peace loving?" Which is the
real Islam?
Caryl:
David, that is a very good question and a complex one, because obviously
to maintain political correctness one has to show that there is a differing
theology. However, as I showed in the film, The New Barbarians, Training
Children to Kill, we see that the Koran, which is a book written by
Mohammad, the founder of Islam, was a militant, is a militant belief.
I mean Mohammad clearly wanted the world to become an Islamic state.
And we see that such leaders as Saddam Hussein is also calling for the
new world order of Islam, and we understand that devout Muslims do want
conversion under the sword and under terrorism. The rest of the world,
which is strongly Islamic puts into practice a physical jihad or holy
war disciplines. However, the Americans, the American Muslims, who have
a place in a democratic society, perhaps many of them don't choose to
be involved in physical jihad, and support it maybe in a spiritual sense.
That is what the theologians, the new Islamic theologians, are trying
to sort of rewrite, Islam for this democratic society. However, in essence,
jihad is a very integral part of Islam and I think……
Jan:
Yes it is.
Caryl:
….what your listeners need to understand is we have to almost
have another mindset when understanding Islam. In America we have the
separation of church and state, but Islam is both religious and political
and there is no separation.
Jan: You make an excellent parallel
in your video movie here. We're talking to Caryl Matrsiciana, her newest
video is The New Barbarians, Training Children to Kill. You make an
excellent parallel to the times of Hitler and today. The Saddams, the
bin Ladens, the Arafats, the new breed of men who want to reshape the
world just at Hitler did. Hitler had mandatory youth training. He wanted
to bring the world to his standards and guidelines. He wanted to create
what could be called the new man. I think you make that comparison.
Obviously Hitler didn't have weapons of mass destruction, maybe that
is the primary difference between the barbarians of yesterday and the
barbarians of today.
Caryl:
Very good point Jan, and I did want to show that parallel because it
is frightening when one sees 60,000 young children between 12 and 17
in Saddam Hussein's army and you see the visuals of those young children
tearing apart live chickens with their teeth and bare hands, and realize
that their indoctrination is so filled with hatred towards Israel and
the supporters of Israel, which is mainly the Americans. We see that
even now with the peace talks and the road map to peace where Israel
is contemplating allowing Palestine to have its own state, under the
promise that America will be more supportive of Israel. Well, that immediately
brings in dangers to our security at home when we understand that the
Muslims in this country are taught to kill through the Mosques, in the
Mosques, that is where a lot of their instruction comes for Jihad, as
you saw in the film The New Barbarians. There were religious leaders
that were standing up telling their followers to hate the Americans
and kill them wherever they are. You have those religious speakers saying
that even in America the Muslims need to kill Americans.
Jan:
It is traveling. You wonder what is being taught in these mosques, because
after the Friday sermons and these mullahs, and still all sorts of who
knows what, all sorts of barbarian sentiment in those that are attending
services. Look at the contrast between Christianity and Islam, because
when we leave our religious services, our churches, we go out with hopefully
the desire to serve the living God. And yet, the end of these services
in the mosques of many parts of the world, the mullahs are telling the
people to go out and kill, what a contrast in the two religions.
Caryl:
Absolutely, and I think one sees that in a democracy there is freedom
to pursue the religion that the individual wants to pursue. In Arab
countries, where Islam is both religion and political, these people
do not have the freedom, even if they want to, they have to keep their
views private. If they are merely, let's say, moderate Muslims, they
are just as much in jeopardy of being killed and tortured.
Jan:
I think that's a good point to raise, yeah, because Muslims kill Muslims.
Caryl:
Yes they do, and I think the most shocking thing about The New Barbarians,
Training Children to Kill, is to see how urgent their desire is to annihilate
Israel, where they absolutely do not even agree, they do not even accept
the presence of Jews in the Middle East, in that tiny little land which
is no bigger than New Jersey. When I showed you the map in the video,
indeed how much land the Arabs have, surely there is no reason…
Jan:
Let's pick up on that Caryl, we've got to take our top of the hour break
and when we come back, talking to Caryl Matrisciana here on her newest
film The New Barbarians, Training Children to Kill. But, we're out of
time for this first hour. We're coming back right at the top of the
hour, we'll continue our discussion, AM 980 KKMS. Prophetic Views Behind
the News, Saturdays 9 am to 11. Repeated Sundays 12 noon to 2 pm. Please
stick with us AM 980 KKMS more spirited talk radio.
Jan:
….computer problems, Marty says we didn't get our introduction
on the second hour, but we are back live here in the studio and we have
as a very special guest this morning Caryl Matrisciana. For the past
21 years Caryl was the Creative Director at Jeremiah Films, contributed
to research expertise, and helped produce more than 30 journalistic
commentaries, documentaries rather, revealing today's cultural trends.
Her latest, and powerful, film is The New Barbarians, Training Children
to Kill. And again, if you are just joining us, as many do throughout
the two hours, and I have in the studio with me David Wheaton from Beyond
Sports, but David has also subbed for Tom Marshal and Todd Freol. Now
he is going to be joining Behind the News, at least when he can. David
travels a great deal so hopefully David will get the schedule worked
out and
David:
Be here as much as I can Jan.
Jan:
Alright Caryl, are you with us?
Caryl:
Yes I am Jan.
Jan:
I want to go back to your statement, as I cut you a little bit short
because of clocks. We were talking a little bit about the fact that
Israel is really the size of New Jersey, and you make an outstanding
case for the, well first of all, you clarify the historical religionism
that has gone on over in that part of the world. But also, absurdity
of an Arab kingdom in that part of the country, Israel surrounded by
about 200 million Arabs, 22 Arab states, and Israel about the size of
New Jersey. Yet they can't stand the stench of Israel even with the
little 8,000 square miles she occupies over there. That is why they
are being trained to be barbarians, as you point out very graphically,
to annihilate her. Even in this road map that is the ultimate conclusion
or the ultimate wish, the ultimate destination of the road map is the
destruction, the total destruction of Israel.
Caryl: Yes, in fact I take quotes from the Palestinian leader Yassar
Arafat to show that peace for them means the destruction of Israel.
I mean, this road map for peace does not in any way assure the Jews
living in Israel any type of peace from terrorist bombers. In fact,
at the end of the video The New Barbarians, Training Children to Kill,
we heard a young 14-year-old boy, Mohammad, talking about how he wanted
to be a martyr for the homeland, and how he would happily strap himself
with explosives, and how they will continue to. Here we had a teacher
saying how they will continue to teach these children to be martyrs
as long as Israelis live in Israel. I tried to show the viewer why this
little country was given to the Jews, and we saw their plight in the
II World War where no country would harbor them from the absolute barbaric
efforts of Hitler who put them into concentration camps, herded them
into incineration ovens, and dumped their skeletal bodies into massive
graves. Here were these people trying to just have some kind of refuge
in a little country, which at last the United Nations gave them in 1948,
and yet here 50 years later the Arabs will still not accept the fact
that here is a race of people that have lived here for thousands of
years and are entitled to this piece of land. You know, they will not
be given any kind of acceptance, which is just incredible, and the world's
opinion seems to be influenced by pro-Arab, pro-Palestinian media. The
Jews are always made to be rogues and terrorists, when one only has
to look at the mitts surrounding the publicity. For instance, the terrorism
that the victims of this conflict, the Palestinian terrorist not only
detonate themselves in public places like pizzerias and nursery schools,
they also use Palestinian children as human shields.
Jan:
That's right.
David:
Caryl, you know, I think what is interesting about this issue is that
it is not very difficult. I think you can use this as a kind of a baseline
way to find out what side of the issue to be on. You can see what the
massive world opinion is, whose side they are on, whose side the U.N.
is on, whose side the liberal secular side of our society is on. They
pretty much support, or even the liberal college professors and a lot
of the students are always, even some secular Jews surprisingly can
often be on the side of the Palestinian cause. And, I think that is
a good way for Christians to understand that's probably not the right
side to be on on this issue. But, my question for you is that Israel
originally came back into the land in 1948 as a result of a U.N. declaration.
When you play by U.N. declarations like that one, does that kind of
hinder you in the future, having to be under the authority of the U.N.
for future things that happen? Or, is it better just to go and try to
survive on your own?
Caryl:
Um…
I didn't quite understand your question David.
David:
Well, I'm basically saying if Israel tries to use the argument of, well
the U.N. gave us this land therefore it's our land. In the future, now
let's say we have different U.N. declarations that the U.N. says well
there has to be a two-state Palestinian state/Israeli state, are you
getting caught in a trap of putting yourself under the authority of
the U.N.? In other words, like when George Bush wanted to invade Iraq,
and liberate Iraq, he tried to go through the U.N., but if he had done
that he would be under the authority of the U.N. for future decisions
concerning Iraq. Is Israel doing the same thing do you think?
Caryl:
I see what your saying, and I think that Israel is caught in a horrendous
situation. They're damned if they do and they're damned if they don't.
I think the point I was trying to make was that world opinion was really
behind giving the Jews their own land and the United Nations in a sense
accommodated, if you will, world opinion by giving them the British
mandated land already called Palestine. However, we saw that when the
ink was hardly dry, the signatures were hardly dry, when six Arab nations
went to war not agreeing with the U.N. accommodations of giving these
people their own small piece of land. So, yes I see exactly what you
are saying, and I think Israel is trying so hard to please world opinion
or leaders that will give them any kind of support, which of course
at the moment is only America. The extraordinary thing about this is
that America also supports the Palestinians. So, there is such confusion
and such an ambiguous situation here with America telling Israel that
they support them, then also being behind the enemies that insight hatred
towards the Jews.
David:
Yeah Caryl, I think one other interesting point related to the U.N.
and instigating Israel back in 1948, was that Israel only has, and you
said this in your video, only 15 percent of what the U.N. originally
gave them back in 1948, which is incredible to me.
Caryl:
It is, and here we see them giving away more with the road map to peace.
You know, bit by bit by bit the Arabs chomping in and what is the end
result? Well, fortunately, the Bible believing Christians who believe
in the Book, they will see that Jerusalem is going to be the trembling
of their last days. The issue, as I have brought out in the film The
New Barbarians is over the ownership of Jerusalem, and here we have
Mt. Zion, which is the place and position of God on earth, and yet we
have the god of the Muslims who hates the Jews, setting up their Dome
of the Rock. Yet, we have the Rock Himself with His position there.
It is very interesting to see the three major religions of the World,
and the Christians of course, whose Messiah, the Messiah of the Christians
was killed on the very mount there where the Muslim's rock, The Dome
of the Rock, is worshipped. And in fact, the young children are told
to spill their blood for The Dome of the Rock.
Jan:
We're talking, if you've just joined us this morning, and we, by the
way, start at 9 a.m. now, 9 to 11 a.m. on Saturday, repeat it Sunday
12 noon to 2. We are talking with Caryl Matrisciana, the past 21 years
Creative Director at Jeremiah Films, contributed research expertise
and helped produce more than 30 journalist documentaries. I think one
of the most powerful ones is the one that we are talking about this
morning, The New Barbarians, Training Children to Kill. Caryl, let me
ask you this. First of all, let's give that number again where folks
can call and order the video.
Caryl:
Well they can go onto my website……
Jan:
Yes, let's give that as well.
Caryl:
……which is very easy. My name is a little complicated to
spell, but it is C-A-R-Y-L TV.com (Caryltv.com) and they can order it
through the web page or they can go to the toll free number which is
1-800-897-5080.
Jan:
One more time.
Caryl:
1-800-897-5080, which is 5-0-8-0 or go to Caryltv.com.
Jan:
Alright, I want to raise another issue that you raise. Bye the way Caryl,
I think because you and I met in February, you know that the material
that you are dealing with here I am quite familiar with. I am trying
to bring out some of the highlights that I feel folks need to know the
most. One of the things that I was very happy to see you bring out in
the film, is that it is even now young girls that are getting inspired
to become martyrs. One tends to think of martyrdom and vitriolic hate
as coming from males, male suicide bombers, homicide bombers, but the
hate is intense coming from women. I noticed in the Jerusalem Post this
week, that Islamic leaders have now issued a fatwa that women can and
should now carry out some of these suicide bombings.
Caryl:
Unbelievable isn't it? As you saw in the film, they were such young
children. It was…..
Jan:
Exactly.
Caryl:
….and you know the brainwashing and indoctrination begins through
children's cartoons on children's television and children's programming.
How many of us know as Mums that we place our children in front of television
when we are fixing the evening meal or whatever. And here were these
very, very graphic, very violent little children's cartoons showing
children that they needed to pick up rocks and kill the Jews for the
sake of the Dome of the Rock, and to have peace and to have martyrdom.
These young children being taught that martyrdom was the way to go and
that would please the god of Islam.
David:
Now Caryl, the men, the young boys actually, that blow themselves up
are promised 70 virgins in heaven. So it is really a motivation of lust
for them. What is it for the young girls?
Caryl:
Well, I think it's still the spiritual call of heaven. I mean, yes,
that is a very good question, what happens to the young girls? I don't
know what on earth are they promised, except that their parents, of
course, are promised thousands and thousands of dollars if they help
their children learn how to detonate themselves. I think one of the
things is just to see how women and young girls are treated in these
Arab lands, is just something that I wonder, why the United Nations
and people who are out for children's rights aren't in arms over the
way these young children are treated. I don't know if you remember in
2002 where 15 Saudi teenage girls died. They were trapped in a burning
building because the Muslim authorities would not let them out due to
the fact that they did not have the proper head covering and the Muslim
headgear to be seen in public. You know, Saudi women take beatings,
and they are arrested if they expose their ankles or faces. If you looked
at those little children that were yelling, that had guns put in their
hands, they were covered in the Muslim gear and they were yelling, "Give
us a gun, give us children a gun, give us boys and girls guns so that
we will kill the Jews and not even have one Jew in Israel." You
know, these Saudi, in Jordan in fact, male family members can legally
murder women suspected of even having been raped or promiscuity in order
to preserve the honor of the family. These are called honor killings.
We hear that in Palestinian, you know and actually within Israel and
the so-called Palestinian lands there, they estimate that up to 70 percent
of all murders in Gaza and the West Bank may be honor killings. Young
girls killed because they are raped.
Jan:
Caryl, when we come back I want to ask you this, I want to ask you,
and you can think about it for a couple of minutes here, If you think
some of this suicide bombing, etcetera, could be coming to America.
I know the entire New York Police Department thinks that. They have
sent a crew over there to learn how to handle it. I'd like to ask you
that when we come back from a very short time out. You always get Prophetic
Views Behind the News. David Wheaton sitting in with me this morning
and we are on every Saturday 9 am to 11 am, and Sundays 12 to 2 on AM
980 KKMS. We'll be back very shortly, please stick with us please.
Jan:
Alright we're back. That was the shortest break in radio history, right
David?
David:
It was.
Jan:
Okay, Jan Markell here, Olive Tree Ministries. David Wheaton on the
other side of the studio table with me. On the line with me is Caryl
Matrisciana who is a film maker, 21 years Caryl was the Creative Director
at Jeremiah Films and contributed to the research expertise and helped
produce more than 30 journalistic documentaries. I have seen, by the
way, probably half of those 30 and they are absolutely awesome. Caryl,
want to go back, by the way, we will probably open the phones up at
the bottom of the hour here if you have some questions for Caryl as
to the topics we're talking about here. You can jot down the number
now, which is 651-681-8255, 651-681-talk, or out of state 1-888-332-5169.
We'll do that right at 10:30, open those lines. Caryl, I am told, actually
I read it in many sources, that the New York Police Department has gone
to Israel to learn how to deal with these suicide homicides bombings,
because they sense that that is coming to America. What is your sense
on that?
Caryl:
Well, I think just understanding the history of Islam and the resurgence
of Islam and certainly fundamentalist jihad, just looking at the resurgence
world wide, and especially since the birth of Israel in 1948,
we have seen a tremendous growth of
hatred towards the presence of the Jews in the middle East. Suicide
bombing has not stopped, this homicide and genocide bombing has become
more and more barbaric. There are schools training young children how
to blow themselves up, and we see that coming over here, which was what
September 11th was all about. Youth, young men, who were prepared to
commit suicide, learn how to fly these enormous great planes, and fly
into the World Trade Center, the financial capital of the world, for
spiritual prizes in their belief system. These young children that were
interviewed in The New Barbarians said that they would be happy to be
martyred for the homeland. And then, if you remember, one of the film
clips was the young American Muslims that were in a summer camp in mid
America….
Jan:
Exactly.
Caryl:
….where they were chanting the terrorist slogans and chants. One
young boy came towards the camera and said, "Butcher the Jews."
Now that was an incredible statement on American soil by a young American
Muslim in this country. Then you saw the religious leaders going around
the country telling these adults to kill Americans in this country,
and if that meant blowing them up, cutting their hands off, making widows,
they had to do it. Just as they had to fast within the Islam faith even
in America, so we heard their leaders say they had to commit jihad,
in other words holy war, in order to make their statement, which is
to get rid of Israel. That is the purpose of these jihad bombings.
Jan:
Going back to David Wheaton's question on the women who are now blowing
themselves up and what's in it for them, not the sensual pleasures that
is with the men, I think that in Islam, I believe, the only assurance
of heaven is jihad. I'm wondering if that isn't perhaps spurring some
of these women to do this now.
Caryl:
Jan, that is a very, very good point. The assurance of paradise, of
Muslim paradise, is through jihad and we did hear in the film, The New
Barbarian, Training Children to Kill, that is what Yassar Arafat says,
"jihad! jihad! jihad!" and he commends a young teenager who
blew up other teenagers in a nightclub in Telaviv. He said that through
his act of jihad he would be ensured of paradise. So, yes, obviously
the women who have no rights within Islam, you know, we hear absolutely
horrible stories of young girls in Egypt, Oman, Yemen, and the United
Arab Emirates who endure genital mutilation between the ages of 4 and
9. This is the kind of horrible behavior to young girls, and I can quite
understand them wanting the assurance of some kind of paradise after
life through this barbaric act of martyrdom, suicide, homicide bombings.
It's horrible, it's absolutely the most horrible indoctrination of children,
and we should be up in arms about this in America.
Jan:
Yes we should.
David:
Now Caryl, we have talked a lot about the problems going on, and the
symptoms of the problem, and everything to do with how horrific this
whole situation is. Now let me ask you the difficult question here now
Caryl. What in your opinion is the solution to this age-old, what I
like to call, genetic hatred conflict between the Jews, well it's really
one-sided, it's between the Palestinians or Arabs to the Jews? What
is the solution? How can this be solved if you had your wand and said
that this will be the way that Israel should go? What would you recommend?
Jan:
Could I broaden that David just a little bit?
Caryl:
David and Jan, what are you doing to me (laughing)?
Jan:
You are on the hot seat Caryl. I sit here every Saturday. You know that
question could actually be expanded and I would like to expand it. I
am wondering, if you don't mind David if I expand your question.
David:
Go ahead.
Jan:
You know Caryl I wonder how just the whole hatred we see in radical
Islam, folks please notice that I am saying radical Islam, how that
is every going to come under control? Because, look, in another 15 years
these kids that you've got on your video are going to be adults, and
they are going to probably be the new 9-11 heroes of the Islamic world.
Is antichrist the only one to solve the problem?
Caryl:
Well, one looks at history David, if I may just go to what both of you
are saying, and look at the terrifying results of history where young
children were trained by Hitler, the Brown Shirts, who became the SS
officers of the II World War. Of course, I said that back to front,
Hitler trained his children in the II World War, but the young children
who were in the first World War as Brown Shirts, were the ones that
became Hitler's cohorts and SS officers for the second World War. So
we saw a pagan generation of children indoctrinated towards the new
world order and how awful, how awful, their behavior was towards the
annihilation of the Jews during the II World War. We see that same spirit
of annihilation and hatred towards the Jews, which we see thousands
of years earlier in the story in the book of Esther, where the Jews
were also to be annihilated. Of course we see King Herod at the birth
of Jesus doing the same thing in killing children under two years old
who were Jews, so that his position wouldn't be taken over by who he
believed would be the King of Israel. So, this is a spiritual battle
that we have seen repeat itself in history….
Jan:
Yes, yes.
Caryl:
…..and one has to ask the question, "Why have the Jews been
persecuted for thousands and thousands of years?" The answer, I
believe, lies in a spiritual answer, that is, they are God's chosen
people and the god of this world, Satan and his minions, absolutely
thrive on hurting God and brining displeasure to God through the annihilation
of His people. We know today more than any other time in the history
of the world, that Christians and Jews are being killed in the thousands.
Jan:
Probably millions when you…..
Caryl:
Millions! Hundred of thousands I should say, daily.
Jan:
Yeah daily, right. You know, let me just pick up on a little bit more
of what you said and David's question as well. By the way, if you are
just joining us folks, we are talking to Caryl Matrisciana this morning,
and I have as a co host this morning in the studio with me, David Wheaton.
Let me just pick up a little bit more on this because we just had a
conference here in town, my ministry did, where we brought in Chuck
Missler and a number of other folks. Chuck has an interesting teaching
that the antichrist could actually be an Arab or a Muslim. He believes
he could be a Syrian, and that perhaps somebody like an antichrist who
has an Arab heritage, a Syrian heritage, perhaps even Islamic heritage,
could in fact put, somehow supernaturally, and end to some of this violence.
Of course by then we would be in the tribulation probably.
Caryl:
Well, I respect Chuck and I think he is a very learned scholar and has
some very, very interesting views, and that is certainly a potential
possibility.
Jan:
Well I mean, the question is, you know, how do we stop all of this?
I mean, I give credit to President Bush. He said this is a battle that
will take a lifetime. There are some presidents who would come out,
probably the last one, who would come out and say look we are going
to take care of this, don't worry about it, it's going to be over in
a few months. President Bush is very honest about the fact that this
is a life-long problem. However long life-long means, we actually don't
know, but I do give him credit for being honest about it. Okay folks,
if you would like to join in on the discussion we will open the phone
at 651-681-8255. 651-681-t-a-l-k or, out of state, 1-888-332-5169. David
you wanted to make a comment.
David: I still want to hear the Caryl
Matrisciana road map though.
Jan:
The road map?
David:
I want to hear her road map.
Caryl:
David…
Jan:
Could we do it on the other side of the break because we have lines
filling up here too Caryl? We need to take our bottom of the hour break.
Caryl:
Thank goodness for breaks.
Jan:
Thank goodness for breaks. This is our short one people. If you are
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to, we still have a line open, and we are going to get to the other
callers here momentarily. David you wanted to pick up where we had left
off.
David:
Well, I'm not trying to belabor the point, but I wanted to see, in an
ideal world, how Caryl would solve this. Caryl, would it be a military
action, as far as Israel literally driving the Palestinians out of the
land and protecting their own borders? We have kind of this new philosophy
in warfare that started in the last 30 years, that when a country gets
involved in military conflicts, land by international law is not allowed
to be occupied. That is a big misnomer in this whole case, in that they
call the Palestinian territory, the occupied territories. Well really
it belongs to Israel, the won it in the 1967 Six-Day War. It's their
land. It's not occupied, it's theirs. But the international community
does not acknowledge that. What would be your solution, even if it is
one that is distasteful to the world, what would be your ideal solution
here?
Caryl:
Well, I think that Israel must be given the right to defend herself.
I mean, what would American's do in the same situation in this country
if they were not allowed to defend themselves in the same sort of situation?
I think it is an absolutely immoral situation that Israel finds herself
in. You know, it's horrible.
Jan:
Well, I think that some have suggested that the Palestinians, at least
those that are the troublemakers, I don't think Israel has any problem
with the Palestinians who want to live with them, some are even called
Israeli Arabs, they serve in the Kenesett, they have greater rights
and freedoms than in any other region in the Middle East. Israel has
no problem with them, but I think that there has been the suggestion
that these that are trouble makers be shipped off to another country.
Caryl:
Well the difficulty, of course, is that here we're training new generations
to be the troublemakers. How can you, there's absolutely no way to halt
the suicide bombers who attempt to infiltrate Israel on a daily basis.
How are we going to do the same in this country? It's an attitude, it's
a mindset. These people in the Middle East have dressed as pregnant
women.
Jan:
Right.
Caryl:
They have hidden in ambulances. They've smuggled arms in specially exempt
vehicles. It is absolutely horrible what these attitudes have done,
and yet Israel, you know, isn't allowed to defend herself in this situation.
It's absolutely extraordinary.
Jan:
If you have just joined us, we are talking this morning with Christian
filmmaker Caryl Matrisciana. Her new film is The New Barbarians, Training
Children to Kill, which both my co host David Wheaton and I have viewed
of course. Caryl has made about 30 movies, or videos, films on cultural
issues and new age, occult. I have seen almost all of them. I think
Marty stepped out, so folks, you who are calling in, would you just
let that line ring. Marty disappeared, he's doing a lot of things on
Saturday morning.
David:
He is a one-man show.
Jan:
Yeah, he is a one-man show. So please be patient when you are calling
in, just let the phone ring, even if it has to ring 20 times. He will
get to it eventually. Go ahead John in St. Paul, do you have a question
for Caryl?
John:
Hi Jan.
Jan:
Hi John.
John:
Hi Caryl. Hi David.
David:
Hi.
Caryl:
Hi John.
John:
Hello.
Jan:
Go ahead.
John:
Okay good. Just a quick comment on the first half of your show. I think
looking back at the last attempt at bringing a resolution to the Palestinian/Israeli
situation, we had a storm called the "Perfect Storm" in Hurricane
Andrew. Prior to that, Secretary of State, James Baker advised then
President Bush not to support loan guarantees for Israel, the only nation
on the earth that pays its debts, and his house was struck by lightening
at that same time. So I think it will be interesting in the coming days
here to see what the effects might be in that regard. But, beyond that,
reading from Don Richardson's book, and he said that there may be as
many as 40 million trainees in these so-called schools that he describes,
or rather, the article he quotes from Readers Digest describes as "jihad
factories." And in Indonesia alone there are over 37,362 of these
Madrasas, and that far exceeds the total number of all of our educational
institutions, universities, colleges, right on down to elementary schools.
There is about 24,000 in this country. In Pakistan there are 1 million
Muslim students in these "jihad factories" and over 10,000
Madrasas. So, that is just a small portion, a little glimpse, of how
monumental this militant move is potentially. I guess the only thing
I can say in regards to David's question is that we can liberate Iraq,
but democracy has failed to change the heart of the Muslims. What we
need to do is what Jesus did, liberate us, what he did with every one
of us, Muslims one soul at a time and pray for them.
Jan: You raise a good point John, and
by the way, thank you for your call.
John:
You're very welcome.
Jan:
I want to build upon what John just said. By the way, Marty is back
in the studio, so whoever was trying to call and couldn't get through,
he's back in the control room at 651-681-8255. I think the thing that
we need to be mindful of is now is the time for Arab evangelism and
Muslim evangelism, and perhaps that is the only solution to the problem
of conflict, any kind of conflict, is coming to a knowledge of the saving
grace of our Lord, Jesus Christ. Let's go to Bruce in Deephaven, go
ahead Bruce.
Bruce:
Yes, thanks for taking my call. I would like to pose maybe a question
sort of down the middle of the road between the extremes here. I think
as Christians, as the last caller has said, and you had said, that Christians
can pray, and we can bring the gospel to these people. We do know from
God's Word that Israel will exist and that they are not going to go
away. I guess my question is more along this line, what should our government
do at this present time? We are planning this getting together with
the leaders over there, and is that something that we really should
be doing at all? Or should we just let Israel have their right to defend
and let them go their own way, and just support them and let Israelis
go at it, whatever happens?
Jan:
Yeah well, I think you outlined it well there Bruce, and your point
too, but let's let Caryl respond to your question too.
Caryl:
Well, yes, I mean, I think that our government is doing an awful lot.
I think they have been well aware of the situation, as we see through
Steve Emerson's film which was made in 1994, where they were well aware
of militant jihadists, these people that were speaking in states all
around the states, and cities and towns, encouraging Muslims to be involved
in jihad in America. Our government has been well aware of terrorism.
I think they are doing an excellent job in many, many ways. But, your
question Bruce was deeper in the sense that should we allow Israel to
defend herself and have at it and support her. You know, I think there
is a lot to be said for that. Israel's hands appear to be so tied, they
are trying to please so many people. Of course, the psychological and
political costs of the suicide bombs that they have on a daily basis,
9-11 happens to them on a daily basis, so the psychological and political
costs of this, I mean, just must be horrendous on Israelis living in
Israel.
David: I mean, I can't imagine living
in a society where you can't step on a bus or go to a public place,
and really have that in the back of your mind that you might be blown
to bits at any particular time. It just must be horrific to live in
that environment.
Caryl:
I have been to Israel 14 times. It is one of my most favorite places
in the world after America, because it does have such freedom and such
democracy. I have watched those people who love their family. I think
it is the safest country in the world, in the sense of their police,
the military police. The soldiers are so aware of this incredible danger,
it is constantly there, and yet they seem to be so relaxed, and allow
people to attempt to live in a somewhat normal situation. But, they
are on alert as they protect the people every second. I think they are
just the most amazing people in the world with the hardships they have
to put up with.
Jan:
I have to agree. I've been there numerous times myself. We have a line
open at 651-681-8255, or out of state 1-888-332-5169. I still have some
questions, as I think David does too. Let's quickly go to Kevin in Moundsview,
go ahead Kevin you are on the air.
Kevin:
Hi folks. I heard David, he picked up, I should say, on the year 1967
when he stated that Israel won that land. You have to understand, they
didn't win anything, that was theirs to start with.
David:
That's right.
Jan:
That's right.
Kevin:
The inception in 1948. Now here's who occupied the territory, as I'm
sure you folks know, Jordan. They came in and occupied that land and
stole it for nineteen years. This is really distressing, I could take
a camera crew out on the street, or on the sidewalks of any high school
in this country, in any state, or any private run college or university,
and they have no idea of that. You know, the term settlements now, this
is tremendous, you know like Joseph Gergel said, "You tell a big
enough lie often enough, over and over and over, and people will just
believe it." They won't go out and check the facts. That is what
is so distressing. We at least need to arm ourselves with the facts
and truth about this, but having said that, our only hope is because
we know that mankind cannot bring a lasting peace. We know who won't
be involved in the end times trouble for that area. The only thing we
can do is to set out hope on the return of Jesus Christ, that is our
only hope.
Jan:
You know that's the way I close every program Kevin.
Kevin:
Well, God bless you Jan.
Jan:
Thank you for calling.
Kevin:
You bet.
Jan:
That's also why…
David:
Kevin said it well.
Jan:
We just cut off Caryl.
David:
Oh, did we. I'm sorry.
Jan:
Marty can you give Caryl another call please. She was on line 4. I didn't
do it folks, I am the technologically-challenged one here. David pushed
the button. David that is a great debut you just made.
David:
Hey, anytime you want me to cut-off one of your guests, just bring me
on the show. I was trying to let Kevin go without the click and I pushed
the wrong button. I'm sure we'll get Caryl right back on the line. But,
I do think Kevin brings up a great point, the only solution here is
the return of Christ. This conflict has been going on since history
way, way back. Okay, I mean it has been for thousands of years, and
to think that anything is going to solve it very quickly is hoping beyond
hope.
Caryl?
Caryl:
Yes sir.
David:
Very sorry about that. I did it, I did it, I admit it.
Jan:
That's another reason why you folks need this video, The New Barbarians,
Training Children to Kill, because of the background information that
she has in here. I mean, it's just really an education. And as our previous
caller was saying, the lack of understanding of these issues is so overwhelming.
It is a real education film. We do have time for a couple more calls
if you would like to call in at 651-681-8255. Caryl I noticed a story
this week that broke in the last couple of days actually, that the European
Union, which is the birthplace of many great Christian denominations,
is dropping all references to God to placate Muslims and Pagans in Europe.
It seems much more of the world is sinking into more and more darkness.
I mean kicking God out, Islamic Paganism getting more and more prominent.
I don't know, some of this may have to do with political correctness,
and others with the evil of our day. Did you notice this story?
Caryl:
Yes I did and I think what we are seeing is a secularization of the
globe.
Jan:
Yes.
Caryl:
It is very interesting that while Muslims are becoming, at least the
jihad movement, certainly the, what does one call it? The fundamental
Islam or the terrorist branch Islam, whatever one wants to call the
jihad movement, but we see that they are becoming more and more religious,
more and more embedded in having to do stuff to please Allah. And yet,
they want God out of the schools. It doesn't make sense. Because God,
for them, for the Muslims, the Muslim god, is such an integral part
of their very being, that what they are actually saying is that they
want everybody to recognize their god as the only god.
Jan:
Alright. Go ahead John in Minatonka, what is your comment or question?
John:
Well, I was just, a couple of comments, I just remember that quote,
I forget who it was that said it, you probably remember Jan, but "There
will be peace in Israel when the Palestinians love their children more
than they hate the Israelis."
Jan:
Yes, I believe Golda Meir may have said that.
John:
Yeah, I think it was Golda Meir. I think that is telling, really just
the hatred is overwhelming everything, and it's not about religion,
it's about hatred. That's just one thing. Then the other question that
I've had, I've always been curious about this because in Ezekiel 38
and 39 it talks about Israel dwelling in peace and safety, and Russia
coming down on the nation without walls and dwelling securely. That
hasn't happened yet, so it is a future event?
Jan:
I believe that will be a post tribulation, or it will be early tribulation
rather when she is resting securely and antichrist's supposed false
peace.
John:
Okay.
Jan:
Yeah.
John:
Aren't things kind of shaping up for that to happen?
Jan:
Yes.
John:
Whether it's through antichrist or some like Arnold Fruchtenbaum have
said it will be a pre tribulation, just before tribulation, but somewhere
in there Israel is going to feel peace and safety because of the gentile
nations that are protecting her.
Jan:
Well, there is only one gentile nation protecting her and that is America.
If we get a liberal administration in 2004 or 2008 they will sell Israel
down the tubes in a heartbeat. John our lines are totally filled. I
do appreciate you call, it was a good call.
John:
Thank you.
Jan:
Thank you.
David:
I'll let you push the button off.
Jan:
Thank you David. Well it's good to hear from a woman, go ahead Pat in
St. Paul.
Pat:
Hi Jan.
Jan:
Hi.
Pat:
I got a letter into President Bush. How can we dissuade him from birthing
a Palestinian state that won't be voted up and down in the Senate?
Jan:
Well, I think you certainly can contact him through the White House
e-mail and comment line and things like that, and we certainly can pray
for him, but you know what I think we need to do is pray that certain
leaders could get through to him, by that I really mean spiritual leaders.
I know he has some spiritual input from Josh McDowell and I think from
some others. David do you know of any others that are speaking into
George Bush's life?
David:
Not off the top of my head. I think there are a couple though that he
does consult with. I don't know their names.
Caryl:
I would also encourage your listeners to go to an absolutely fabulous
website called Stand With Us. That gives some really, really incredible
information, It's an Israeli organization, and they give some absolutely
fabulous links to usisrael.org and others, www.palestinianfacts.org.
It really helps you compile some good letters with educated facts and
information to the President and those in political power, to show them
your views and opinions. I think it is very, very valuable for us to
keep pressure on our political leaders in this situation.
Jan:
Yeah, I think that's true, keep the pressure on. Thanks Pat for calling.
Pat:
Your welcome.
Caryl:
We are running just a little short on time here, but I wanted to ask
you, or make a comment here, we have the demise of Saddam Hussein, actually
he was providing about 30 million dollars in benefits to suicide bombing
families. I am wondering if that might have an impact, his demise, might
have an impact on lowering some of the terror level, and frankly, lowering
some of the terror threat in America as well?
Caryl:
Jan, I wish I could believe in that. I think that it has gone too far,
the fire is ignited in the hearts of the children who truly believe
that for Mohammad's sake, for Allah's sake, that they need to be involved
in making the new world order a Muslim world. They truly believe this,
so it has to be won for him, so we have these children who, as I show
in the video, being excited with such hatred. What do they do with that
hatred? One sees in that video the way that these, someone's crime is
being Jewish, and he is stoned, and if the police hadn't come by he
would have perhaps been killed. Then we see the killing of young Israeli
soldiers, and the stoning of young Israeli soldiers by absolutely violence-motivated
Arab students.
Jan:
Caryl, don't you think this is a lot of demonization going on, and I
do need a short answer?
Caryl:
Yes.
David:
Everyone listening needs to see this video, this will give you much
clarity on the Middle East, the whole situation over there.
1-800-897-5080. I would definitely recommend this video highly.
Jan:
And the website Caryl?
Caryl;
Is caryltv.com. C-a-r-y-l-t-v-.com.
Jan:
I appreciate you giving up your Saturday morning to help us out. I promise
you I will promote this video, and I'll probably show it to my ministry
here this summer.
Caryl:
Thank you so much Jan, and David thank you so much for your recommendation.
Thank you both for a wonderful, wonderful show.
Jan:
Alright, God bless you.
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